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Read the back cover bit about Pre being the James Dean of track and thought, “Ok, I’ll get this and hope it will inspire me a bit in my efforts, but it will probably suck!” I was also a regular extra in the stands at UPS and UW. Thanks for adding to the overall expertise of this post. I watched Without Limits (1998: Billy Crudup, Donald Sutherland, Monica Potter) and Prefontaine (1997: Jared Leto, R. Lee Ermey, Ed O'Neill). (wrap your brain around THAT level of honor for Steve!) In a nutshell, Prefontaine builds to a political crusade about the rights of athletes while Without Limits builds to a grudging understanding between coach and star athlete. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.”. This reminds me that I really should buy Without Limits. My trains are all HO. (The words set before you now would have otherwise been lost, Mr. Zabel. Good post. We will never know what might have been. thanks for the reviews Andrew. Without limits. Here’s how they put it: “There are distinct differences in the films, because each story’s point of view comes from a different track coach and a different girlfriend, all of whom claim to be the biggest influence on Pre’s life. And the movies show he never did. I love both of them......I must agree w/you though. (They had a budget 4 times ours and a much longer shoot and finish schedule.) Report Thread Report Thread. Being my age, Jared Leto is still "Jordan Catalano" from My So-Called Life to me, and therefor hot, so I like to watch him. i havent seen either movie but am interested in Without Limits.I am also looking for a movie to watch on Saturday that is inspirational! I guess I’m going to bail out on picking one or the other. Pre’s pushed him to run like no one else. If you hear of any job opportunities in Duluth, please let us know. And, I don’t say that because I went in agreeing with what you say (although I do;) but because it is so well written, logical and points justified. Without Limits is a 1998 American biographical sports film.It is written and directed by Robert Towne and follows the relationship between record-breaking distance runner Steve Prefontaine and his coach Bill Bowerman, who later co-founded Nike, Inc. Billy Crudup plays Prefontaine … I think Coach Bowerman was just trying to put him in his place (because he thought he knew better than the coach) and was trying too establish the hierarchy of the relationship. Bryce Zabel MOST RECENT MATCHUP DISCUSSION. The other that made Leto’s performance superior is that he captured the fear. If Prefontaine had been made with Billy Crudup, it would have been closer to the right movie. Directed by Robert Towne. I've yet to watch either one. And I just voted for PREFONTAINE. I don’t imagine too many people are ever going to watch both of these films so our Smackdown answers a practical question: if you want to see one single film that captures the truth and character of Steve Prefontaine, which one should you see? Your Name Optional. It is, frankly, a little worshipful of its subject matter but you could argue if its subject matter wasn’t worth worshipping in some way, nobody would want to make one movie about it, let alone two. Awesome. Later, I used to log a lot of miles running on the wood-chip trail dedicated to him, “Pre’s Trail.” I can’t claim that I knew him, but I saw him on campus (vividly remember watching him chug some beer at Duffy’s Tavern) and when he ran at Hayward field during my freshman year, my dorm (Douglass-Walton) faced the track and we literally watched and cheered from our room window. One of the best analyses of what’s true and what’s not (girlfriends and other issues) is in the Sports Hollywood web-site. I FINALLY watched “Prefontaine” and came looking for some critical comparison. Prefontaine, had a different style of running than most runners as he entered the University of Oregon. Whether it does a better job of capturing the events is a different question. Donald Sutherland vs R. Lee Ermey ? Member Registered. Basically, they are unaware of prefontaines background and why he got so obsessed with the compulsion of front running, that those flash backs resemble him running away from bullies, and when you’re running away from bullies you will eventually experience pain in your legs, your lungs, because you’re burning out, and hence, “little secret I learned in coosbay, in the woods” Where the bullies chase him, he learned to withdrawl more pain then anyone, and when bowerman states, “He always hated a crowed, tried to get away, like he was trying to get away from something, That line connects to flashbacks and to the scene where he says that line “I can withdrawl more pain then anyone you’ve ever met”. Donald Sutherland does take the cake as Bowerman though!I've actually been thinking of getting some tattoo in honor of Pre ... ssh, don't tell my mom!~RR. SLUGGING PERCENTAGE: Back to Pre… Pre’s name became synonymous with hard work and, as Pre would have said, “guts”. This stuff is all fine and helpful(and I of course use it), but in the end, it is just you and you alone to be courageous to step outside of the mental and physical box.Also, I gotta go to Oregon sometime in my life:)! Today my husband, who incidently was a track and field runner in high school, watched Without Limits, and was captivated by the story, however, I did not know Mr Steve, nor was I aware of his death as I watched the story, hoping after he had turned down the pros, he would go on to the olympics, and then when I saw that car he was driving and that road, I knew what was coming up, and I hated that!!!! Walken is always Walken, etc. So given that this was based on a true story, Without Limits loses points for going in that direction. Popular User Options. I scanned the Pre bio last night and the Nancy character was actually his girlfriend at the end. Just a few years ago I had no idea who Steve Prefontaine was. 0 0. sirtitan45. He was, in reality dating the girlfriend shown in Prefontaine when he died. Posts: 4. Sutherland is so pretentious compared to Ermey. I think it’s odd that Billy Crudup wins this smackdown. He was the rock star of the track field and this was portrayed perfectly under Crudup/Towne’s hands. That seemed more authentic. Pre would get up and run anyway. There was always that good feeling the day after a hard run, from both reflection of the run and the recovery going on within. And I do apologize for all those commas. You have permission to edit this article. As far as film school assignments go, it would a really interesting challenge if somebody imported both films into their iMac and cut them together using Final Cut Pro. Without Limits Last Post RSS Marilyn. It was so much fun meeting R. Lee but learning how little glamour and long, boring idle time is really involved in filming..was quite the education! Even thought we all know how it turned out, I still hope that he'll win! This film came from a team that included Tom Cruise as an executive producer and writer-director Robert Towne (Chinatown), plus a great performance as Pre by Billy Crudup and a nuanced one from Donald Sutherland playing Bill Bowerman, Pre’s college track coach. Oh, btw: the real Mary wrote a book, or is writing one, so she must’ve been somewhat important to him. Both are about runner Steve Prefontaine. I honestly would go out on a limb and say “I believe her researched the character role VERY DEEPLY.” His ability to shift between boyish charm and cocky sport master appear soooooooo GENUINE had it not been based on a true story I would say it was a “far fetched” character, but when I study pictures of Steve – I can see it in him (back and forth, regardless of Steve’s age, even though it definitely “matured” with Steve) and because of that I would cast J.L. There’s reality and film reality, of course. However, if you want to understand his strategy, or lack thereof, ponder the following quote: "A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. Frank Shorter: “Pre did everything on a track, just about, everything on a track, that a runner can do. But overall, the documentary style of Prefontaine worked for me just fine. The tone, acting, setting – wrong campus, Without Limits actually filmed in Eugune not some other school in Tacoma like Prefontaine, and the background especially Crudup running up to Bowerman’s cabin was breathtaking…that view was worth the price of the DVD by itself. Oh, well, my name didn’t make the credits (The Masked Nobody), but I did get a personally autographed photo of R. Lee, and some shots of all of us at dinner together- R. Lee in his bathrobe, if you can picture that one, . Without Limits, on the other hand, used as its consultants Oregon’s other track coach, Bill Bowerman (who went on to create Nike shoes), and second-to-last girlfriend Mary Marckx.”. I grew up in Oregon, followed Steve’s running career at the U of O, was 19 when Steve died and attended his funeral at the Marshfield track in Coos Bay, OR. Cheers! 0 0. Prefontaine vs. That, plus the fact that he has a new StudioCanal produced feature film, “The Last Battle,” shooting this summer in Europe about the end of World War II. Which prefontaine movie was better?? Without Limits vs. Prefontaine. The thing that probably held both films back from box office success, though, is that dramatically they are pre-destined to literally run into that brick wall. Perhaps some lawyers told them this would be safer. I am going to add it to my queue on Netflix.Gee, looks like I am expecting a big bill from you huh? Who came in 8th when Usain Bolt got the gold medal in the sprint? I was very young and oblivious to anything outside of my tiny rural reality in the late 70’s. October 2010..AND YET HE LIVES ON………I am a 59 year old grandmother, who at the time of these events was a very young wife and mother, and I did not have the interest in sports, and the olympics that I acquired later in life. In fact, I’d even forgotten posting the above. I suggest you watch both movies. NVAJacketFan. What movie is better Prefontaine, or Without Limits?? There’s an interesting backstory to it: the Without Limits production did everything they could think of to sabotage ours because they knew we would beat them in the “race” to theatrical release. Kovas - that quote is attributed to him, and history shows that's what he ran like. I made my mother watch WL one night and she loved it up to the end. Things have changed quite a bit. Maybe that’s why they made two. First the very enlightening advice and now, a very thorough movie review. Agreed, Justin. THE AVENGERS. His car overturned and his chest was literally crushed, extinguishing his incredible lung-power forever. Most of the movie going public with little connection to Oregon really don’t care about this inaccuracy. Our film came out first, but both were shot at the same time. Then, at the end, Bowerman says exactly what I was thinking. I cried like a baby. I've got a lot of respect for Pre....although, I can't help but wonder how much of that respect was because he was almost made a mayter the running community.I honestly had never heard of either of these two movies, but now I want to get both of them!! great review. Both are about runner Steve Prefontaine. This could be a downfall to me, but I just do not listen to anyone try to tell me how to be me.Great inspirational movies though. I agree with much from the above reviews for these two fine films. "Without Limits" is the second recent film about Steve Prefontaine, the legendary American runner who brought his sport into the headlines and helped topple the creaky amateur athletic establishment. I own and watch both movies often. I also felt the scene in Prefontaine where Steve made eye contact with the terrorist in a mask was utter BS. If my foot hurts, who cares? However, he was always asked to sacrifice ideals on the alter of reality. Without Limits, one of the most underrated films of all time. I've been to his Rock twice and even in broad daylight it is a scary, twisty little road. As a runner that came from a high school near to Marshfield, and one that was part of Eugene’s running community at the same time, I think that I have to go with “Prefontaine” as the more accurate of the two. All I can tell you is that he’s got both mom and dad in Prefontaine which is the way it was. Really?…that is your complaint…you are probably devastated that the music for the movie Patton was written 40 years after WWII…..I feel for you. This is the movie that wants to get in the head of Pre, analyze what made him a brilliant runner, and it wants to elevate Bowerman to a Zen-leader in the Phil Jackson mode, and focus on the sometimes rocky relationship between the two. Your email address will not be published. I first watched Without Limits a couple of years ago and absolutely loved it…the scenery was so amazing I actually moved to Oregon. This real-world decision, though, is a very tough (and sure to be controversial) call for me but if you’re going to see just one, it probably should be Without Limits because it most accurately captures the inside passion that made Pre the champion he was, even if it gets a lot of the other facts wrong. Having lived in that same dorm myself (ah, the fine tradition of Douglass-Walton) got me interested in running here at UO. Of course, both films end with Prefontaine’s death, driving a sports car, under the influence, in 1975. thanks for the review! In a nutshell, Prefontaine builds to a political crusade about the rights of athletes while Without Limits builds to a grudging understanding between coach and star athlete. Some people run from them and others towards them. People would be very judgmental about that (and it certainly creeps into my thinking about the role alcohol may have played) and I’m not sure how it would have been handled. I'll try again later. Bryce. But thanks for trying. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.". I also found Prefontaine on demand (thanks Directtv) and watched that the day before. He and Mark Hiefield fought each other the entire race and it ended with Pre taking it in 9:02.7. In today’s world of insanely obsessive fantasy sports fanatics, video games where you can assemble “all-time” teams and find more statistics in a weekly sports review than you could possibly know what to do with, Pre would have been a shoe-in for “99% owned”. You are reporting this thread to the moderators for review and possible removal from … In any case, what you get with Prefontaine is a good sense of what made him tick as an icon and a leader of other athletes. Using my own interpretation, another underlying message could be to challenge runners to use themselves as a tool for success: not a GPS, hundred of dollars invested in gear, etc. lol. I think it depends on my mood. They get large and swollow anything that gets close to their mouth, including other fish in the tank. However, as Prefontaine marched through its story, I found myself more-and-more accepting of Leto’s performance and now, on balance, both Leto and Crudup seem to have nailed certain specific qualities. To this day when the major track running events are held, plenty of people remember the gutsy runner who owned distance running back in the day, Steve Prefontaine. His too-short life has been the topic of two movies: Without Limits and Prefontaine. Drawing inspiration from career experiences as a CNN correspondent, TV Academy chairman, creator of five produced primetime network TV series, and fast-food frycook, Bryce is the Editor-in-Chief of "Movie Smackdown." The girlfriend thing always had me wondering, but never enough to figure out who was who. I mean, Jack’s always Jack, right? I mean, yeah, W/out Limits is probably a better movie, but doesn’t Prefontaine get points for being TRUE. Tom Cruise produced it. As a former cross-country runner I had to laugh that neither film gave ANY time to that aspect of his college running career, even though it was in some ways more amazing than his track performances. People in Eugene, Oregon, where Pre ran, probably favor Without Limits which came out in 1998, mostly because the film was shot on location there. When the final scene of the movie Prefontaine shows the hearse circling the U of O track I was disappointed, since for the sake of accuracy the scene should have shown the Marshfield track. We all felt like we were a part of Pre, and running with him, and he felt that, too. I mean, the girlfriend in W/out Limits, it’s my understanding they broke up years before his death. ), and have the Nike documentary “Fire on the Track” (AWESOME!!!!) Nobody really cared about this story. So sad…BUT what a life he had…I think that movie inspires anyone no matter what your age!!! I got in great shape in no time. This is not the case with R. Lee Ermey of Prefontaine who manages to feel real, authentic and more like what you expect from the real Bowerman. I hope you’ve got that picture on your wall! In contrast, it took me a very long time to warm up to Jared Leto in this role, especially the early scenes where he seemed to be just too damn pretty and metro-sexual to match the Pre of my own memories. I’ve visited Eugene and Hayward in 1986 & 2008 and I didn’t notice anything that looked inauthentic, and now realizing it was filmed in Tacoma, my opinion really hasn’t changed. Prefontaine was the greatest runner ever. Without Limits is a 1998 American biographical sports film.It is written and directed by Robert Towne and follows the relationship between record-breaking distance runner Steve Prefontaine and his coach Bill Bowerman, who later co-founded Nike, Inc. Billy Crudup plays Prefontaine and Donald Sutherland plays Bowerman. The “flash forward to the aged contemporaries documentary feel” seemed slightly campy because Al Bundy was one of them… But when I realized “OMG!!! Without Limits Mary Pauley Northern Arizona University Based on a true story, Without Limits, recaps the story of the 1972 front running hero, Steve Prefontaine. Also, it is understandable when movies change the story line to enhance the drama and widen the appeal of a movie. Without Limits (1998) Reviews on Cinafilm.com - The film follows the life of famous 1970s runner Steve Prefontaine from his youth days in Oregon to the University of Oregon where he… I was with the Kim Brooke agency. Likewise, Kenny Moore who was a running colleague of Steve helped with the script. And Crudup vs Leto ? I know he held up. I guess I’ve voted twice now GO PRE! It's available to watch on TV, online, tablets, phone. The guy, Sutherland, is all business in the passionate approach to his chosen career, but I have to give the nod to Gunny. I was just reading comparisons about both of these the other day. I just watched "1 Mile From You" and someone told me about these 2 movies about true story of runner Steve Prefontaine. I doubt they would have that luxury if the film was released today. Go Pre!, we yelled, and we all thought we knew him. Billy Crudup had me from “Go” because his Prefontaine seemed to have the masculinity and toughness that seemed right. We should not even be allowed to attend films in theaters, much less write about them! Never watched without limits though.I naturally have Prefontaine's ATTITUDE toward coaching and race strategy. Later, I watched Without Limits as well and ran a bit faster. One is incidental, the other is important. (2) Without Limits Storyline: Incredible story of life of Steve Prefontaine who broke numerous American records, just missed an Olympic medal, and … Don’t know if I talked to you or not. It’s awesome too. It focuses a lot of its late firepower on Prefontaine’s stubborn (and correct) battle with the Amateur Athletic Union that dictated the terms under which Americans could or could not run. I doubt they would do that today. HEY NOW YOU’RE AN ALL-STAR, GET YOUR GAME ON, GO PLAY: Many times people not-in-the-know enter a conversation and haven’t any clues to who Steve Prefontaine was. I like pieces of it and I believe it had historical significance but if I’d seen it first I would not have fallen in love with Steve Prefontaine… And I’m so glad that I did!!! I agree that it's better than Prefontaine. Both movies are great. maybe this will be it.and andrew, thank you for all the kind words lately! What a lot of this comparison comes down to, though, is tone. The life of renowned runner Steve Prefontaine and his … Reply. But that’s Hollywood, I guess. Best I’ve read on the net in years after watching a film/s and wanting to follow up. Neither one is fully accurate. 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